Posted by: John H. Jones | October 4, 2010

How much is that doggie (LIMS) in the window?

posted by: John H. Jones

If you have ever had to purchase a LIMS, you know what a chore it can be.  First there are over 100 LIMS vendors and products to choose from; you have to sort through all those vendors and products and try to find a small, manageable group that can meet your functional and business needs and if that is not hard enough, the fun really begins when you ask…  “How much is that LIMS in the window?”

This seems like a simple enough question doesn’t it?  Well, I hear from all to many customers that getting a price list is like pulling hen’s teeth.  Have you ever seen a hen with teeth?  Getting a LIMS vendor price list is about as rare.  Have you ever heard the saying: “If you have to ask how much it costs, then you cannot afford it”.  All of these cliché’s apply nicely to today’s LIMS industry.

Before we get into how to deal with this problem, let’s start with something completely different and entertaining.  Watch this short video to get into a good mood:

 

So how to deal with the license and pricing issues:

There are a series of questions that you need to ask the LIMS vendor early on in the search stage when choosing a LIMS.  Licensing and pricing is one of the easiest (for you anyway) ways to immediately screen any LIMS.  What good does it do for you to search for a LIMS that you cannot afford.  You may really like a particular LIMS but if it does not fit your budget you may as well walk on by.  Many LIMS vendors will say that pricing should be the LAST thing you should look at.  They say, Why would you buy a LIMS that won’t meet your functional needs and requirements?  I agree with those vendors, the only thing is, you are not buying a LIMS at this stage, you are screening LIMS vendors and products.  So you may as well start with the easiest part and get licensing and pricing information very early.

Now here is where the fun begins.  The LIMS salesman is on commission / bonus or otherwise has a big stake in getting a LIMS sold.  The more you spend the more money he makes.  Don’t let anyone fool you.  The LIMS industry is no different business than any other.  It’s a business for profit and profit is driven by higher revenues.   So here is how the game works.  The salesman really wants to focus on your needs and requirements.  Now that sounds logical and good.  In his pursuit of requirements he starts building value.  As with any good salesman, he will find your pain points and then focus on how his product addresses those pain points.  This will be done through various iterations without once getting into the cost aspect.  Finally you will be getting a proposal from the LIMS vendor along with a demonstration that will make you feel really good.  Voila, the salesman has built value and you acknowledge that value.  This makes it easy for the salesman to now price his proposal based on value to you rather than on a price list.  This allows him or her to maximize the revenue potential of the LIMS sale.  This is a fundamental reason it is next to impossible to get a retail price list from a LIMS vendor.

Now all of that is fine and good.  However, by the time that entire process is done, you have many hours of many people invested in the LIMS purchasing process and that is with just one of up to five LIMS vendors you are looking at.  You can see why the purchasing process for a LIMS takes months in many cases and prices can vary wildly.

So where does this leave us?  Well, it leaves us with the million dollar question:  “How much is that LIMS in the window?”  Granted, the window in this case is probably a Microsoft Window.

It is all fine and good for the LIMS salesman to build value but let that happen after he has given you a price list and plain English explanations in writing of how the product is licensed.  Some of the more paranoid vendors will want you to sign an NDA so that you do not share their price list.  That is fine.  Just remember that as you proceed through the LIMS purchasing process.  All those sorts of little things should add up.

The Bottom Line:

Narrow down a group of LIMS products and vendors by asking for their retail price list and licensing terms.  Don’t immediately disqualify a vendor based upon their retail price list.  They will all compete for your business.  You need this so that you can at least know how to build your budget or determine whether or not the product can even come close to your budget.

There are many, many factors that make up the cost of a LIMS such as the license price, recurring maintenance and support charges and finally, not least of which is the cost of implementation, validation, training and IT infrastructure.

There is a free resource to help you get through this entire process and there is a user’s group on-line that has real world users to help you.  Fill out this form to download your free copy of the LIMSpec 1.0 LIMS User Requirements Specification: http://www.jotform.com/form/72235958005  and be sure to go to http://www.limspec.com to join a user’s group on Linkedin that addresses these specific topics.  These tools have been used by thousands of labs to successfully select a LIMS to meet their needs. 

Give it a whirl.

Posted by: John H. Jones | September 1, 2010

Remember, Keep Looking Up! – A tribute to Jack Horkheimer

Well this blog post has nothing to do with LIMS but is simply a tribute to an individual that I have admired for years and have had the pleasure of viewing most every week on PBS stations.  I speak of none other than the late Jack Horkheimer.  I am sure that many of you know of the late night PBS program that usually ran just around the sign-off time each night on PBS.  I for one, watched Jack throughout all of the 80’s and 90’s and then kind of lost track in the 2000’s.  I now regret that since Jack recently passed away.  I wished that I had continued to watch his short clips every night.

If you have ever watched Star Gazer (formerly Star Hustler) you would know what a great guy Jack was and how he influenced so many young science enthusiasts.  This is truly a loss.

Star Gazer is a five-minute astronomy show on public television hosted by Jack Foley Horkheimer (born Foley Arthur Horkheimer, June 11, 1938 – August 20, 2010)[1] executive director of the Miami Space Transit Planetarium.[2] On the weekly program, Horkheimer informed the viewer of significant astronomical events for the upcoming week, including key constellations, stars and planets, lunar eclipses and conjunctions, as well as historical and scientific information about these events. Episodes usually feature Horkheimer in front of a green screen, where he appears to sit on top of a planetary ring on one side of the screen. Horkheimer then uses the screen to illustrate starfields and diagrams appropriate to his subject. Star Gazer has been in weekly production since 1976, and has produced over 1,500 episodes.

Now for one final treat…  The following is Jack’s last and final video recording of the Star Gazer.  Watch and enjoy!

 

So remember Star Fans, Keep Looking Up!

Revenues for the SaaS market on the whole are projected to grow from $13.1 billion in 2009 to more than $40 billion in 2014

Today I read an interesting article at Infoworld “IDC: SaaS momentum skyrocketing”.

Interest in the SaaS (software as a service) delivery model is growing to the point that by 2012, almost 85 percent of new vendors will be focused on SaaS services, according to new research from analyst firm IDC.

Also by 2012, some two-thirds of new offerings from established vendors will be sold as SaaS, IDC said.

At LabLynx, our SaaS / Cloud Based LIMS offering, http://www.webLIMS.com has exploded the growth of our company.  We introduced the new Cloud based version of our LIMS in 2008 and in 2009 our revenues were double that of 2008 and now in 2010 our revenues have already exceeded by 25% all of our revenues for 2009 and we are only half way through the year.  The reason for this explosive growth is SaaS / Cloud Computing and our wide variety of product offerings for Laboratory, Scientific and Health Informatics that are offered exclusively as Cloud Applications.  In fact our traditional license sales are down 10% while the SaaS (webLIMS) sales are at almost triple digit growth.

The IDC report supports this observation saying “License revenues for traditional on-premises applications will drop roughly $7 billion this year and are likely in permanent decline, since SaaS is generally sold via subscription, the report adds.”

The large, legacy software companies that depend upon licensed software sales will have challenges in moving to SaaS/Cloud based applications.  The simple reason is that they will be loosing the bulk of their revenues (license fees) as they start offering SaaS alternatives.  Some of those legacy software companies have started to rethink their move into Cloud Computing because of the negative revenue impacts.  Read “Why some vendors regret becoming cloud providers”. The larger issue here is that large enterprise software companies that move into cloud computing could find themselves cannibalizing their existing market. Thus, they might end up selling cloud services to replace their more lucrative software solutions.

I think it is safe to say that SaaS / Cloud Computing is here to stay and the growth for these technologies and business models in the area of LIMS and Laboratory Informatics is going to continue to grow rapidly.  I think we can expect a fundamental market shift in the software market as a result.  While providing a cloud service will indeed conflict with the license revenue requirements of legacy software vendors and reduce margins in many instances, not providing a cloud service could cause a vendor to lose its market altogether to another provider. Thus, it makes much better sense that vendors focus on providing the most innovative solutions, including the use of lower-cost and lower-margin cloud computing solutions, or end up offering no solutions at all.

Atlanta, GA – June 28, 2010 – Today, www.LiMSforum.com celebrates its first year of operation and has quickly become the largest independent, non-commercial LIMS user’s group with over 6,300 members to date and today has a growth rate of nearly 1,000 new members per month.

The Laboratory Informatics Institute established the LiMSforum as a User’s Group for Laboratory, Scientific & Health Informatics professionals to meet, post articles, jobs, videos, downloads & SaaS Applications for LIMS, ELN, CDS, SDMS, LIS, EMR, Robotics, Chromatography, Spectroscopy, Bioinformatics, Life Sciences & more…

The LIMSforum is open to all Laboratory, Scientific, Business and Health Informatics professionals to meet and exchange technical and career information.
Areas Covered Include:

  • LIMS / LIS (Laboratory Information Management Systems)
  • CDS (Chromatography Data Systems)
  • ECM (Enterprise Content Management)
  • SDMS (Scientific Data Management Systems)
  • EMR / EHR (electronic medical records / electronic health records)
  • Bioinformatics
  • Biobanking
  • Cheminformatics
  • Laboratory Instrumentation
  • Laboratory Careers
  • HL7 / SNOMED / LOINC
  • HIPAA
  • NELAC
  • ASCLD
  • CAP
  • 21 CFR 11
  • SaaS / Cloud Computing
  • Open Source
  • Validation & Compliance
  • and much more….

Joining is instant, free and open to everyone. All members are encouraged to post LIMS related articles and technical and product information. Employers and Recruiters can post their Laboratory and Scientific Informatics jobs. Job Seekers can post their availability and qualifications. LiMSforum.com also offers a number of special interest subgroups including:

  • LabCareers.com

    LabCareers.com memberLabCareers.com provides a group to post job openings for laboratory, scientific and health lab careers. Areas cover LIMS, Chromatography, Spectroscopy, Instrumentation, Informatics, Clinical analysts, bio-tech, pharma and much more. Users can post their availability as well.


     
  • SaaSforScience.com – Web Hosted Software for Laboratory, Scientific, & Health Informatics

    SaaSforScience.com - Web Hosted Software for Laboratory, Scientific, & Health Informatics memberSaaS for Science – is devoted to discussions and technical articles about Web Hosted Software for Business, Scientific, Health & LIMS / Laboratory Informatics. Known as SaaS (Software as a Service), this forum also provides a library of links to these SaaS applications to test drive.


     
  • LiMS.tv – Laboratory, Scientific & Health Informatics videos and presentations

    LiMS.tv - Laboratory, Scientific & Health Informatics videos and presentations memberLiMS tv is a group that provides links to podcasts, videos and demonstrations of LIMS products and tutorials on LIMS concepts and regulatory issues. This group also covers other aspects of Laboratory Informatics for Health and Life Science and includes CDS, ELN, SDMS, EHR and tons more..


  • LiMS Download Forum – Software Downloads for Laboratory, Scientific, & Health Informatics

    LiMS Download Forum - Software Downloads for Laboratory, Scientific, & Health Informatics memberLiMS Download Forum – Software Downloads for Laboratory, Scientific, & Health Informatics; provides a growing list of applications available for download along with information about the applications and links to download, install and try the applications.


     
  • ChromatographyTalk.com

    ChromatographyTalk.com memberThe networking group for Chromatography professionals. Articles, discussion and career opportunities in GC, GC/MS, LC, LC/MS, HPLC and appplications to LIMS and Laboratory Informatics.


     
  • HealthForge – the Open Access Health Informatics Community

    HealthForge - the Open Access Health Informatics Community memberHealthForge is a professional network for those interested in furthering Open Source and Open Access Health Informatic. Topics include LIMS / LIS, EMR, EHR, HL7, SNOMED, LOINC, HIPAA and more….


     
  • LifeScienceTalk.net

    LifeScienceTalk.net memberLifeScienceTalk.net provides discussions, articles and career opportunities for Life Science professionals with a focus on the Information Technology for Life Sciences including LIMS, ELN, Biobanking, Bioinformatics, CDS, SDMS and the sciences involved in these areas.


     
  • enviroTalk.net – Environmental Informatics & Regulatory Compliance Network

    enviroTalk.net - Environmental Informatics & Regulatory Compliance Network memberThis group provides discussions, articles and career opportunities for environmental science professionals with topics such as LIMS, PIMS, SCADA, lab instruments and tests, NELAC, ISO, industrial, municipal and commercial enviro testing.


     
  • SpectroscopyTalk.com

    SpectroscopyTalk.com memberSpectroscopyTalk.com provides articles, discussions and resources on laboratory instrumentation for spectroscopic analysis and the LIMS and laboratory Informatics systems surrounding those instruments and analytical methods.

     

  • Open Source & Open Access for Science

    Open Source & Open Access for Science memberThis group provides the scientific community with Open Source Software and Open Access Journals and other unrestricted resources. This group is founded on the principals of Science Commons.

     

    LiMSpec.com – LIMS requirements development and discussion group

    LiMSpec.com - LIMS requirements development and discussion group memberThe LIMSpec.com User’s Group provides a communitiy driven facility for LIMS users, consultants and vendors to develop a library of LIMS user requirements. This library will help shortcut the process of developing LIMS requirements specific to the user’s laboratory needs

    About the Laboratory Informatics Institute:

    The Laboratory Informatics Institute was established on June 19, 2006. This new organization has been created as a laboratory industry trade association for the education, standardization and promotion of the functional and professional areas of Laboratory Informatics. Our goal at the Institute is to offer an open Membership program to all individuals and organizations, which service or are employed within the laboratory industry. Our mission is to help all laboratories become more efficient and automated through the adoption of Laboratory Informatics applications and systems. By establishing an open, trade association, the members of the Institute will help shape and direct the future Laboratory Informatics standards. Our members will help educate and inform other members and the Institute will provide tools and resources to help all laboratories adopt a level of Laboratory Informatics that is right for them.

  • Posted by: John H. Jones | June 5, 2010

    SaaS / Cloud Computing for laboratories has gone mainstream

    CloudComputing for the Laboratory In the last 12 months, Cloud Computing in business and government has taken off like a rocket.  More and more companies, government agencies, health care institutions and financial institutions are turning to Cloud Computing for not only their “Line-of-Business” applications but for their entire IT infrastructure.  Now the laboratory and scientific industries are embracing Cloud Computing at an even faster pace.  You will start to see more and more articles and case studies on the use of Cloud Computing and SaaS (Software as a Service) for the laboratory.

    USA Today recently published an article covering the use of SaaS/Cloud Computing for small business:  Software-as-a-service gives small business powerful tools

    Life Science Leader Magazine published:  “SaaS Model Turns LIMS Paradigm On Its Head”  and a similar article from the American Chemical Society’s, Chemical & Engineering News, entitled “LIMS In The Cloud” all serve to provide evidence of how fast and how far Cloud Computing is making its way into nearly every aspect of laboratories, business, government and other industries.

    To learn more about what Cloud Computing / SaaS can do for laboratories you will also want to read the www.LIMSfinder.com article “SaaS – Is a web hosted LIMS right for your laboratory?”

    The SaaS LIMS offering (www.weblims.com) from LabLynx, Inc has exploded in growth since its release as a Cloud Computing Application Platform in 2008; making it the largest LIMS Cloud / SaaS provider on the market today.  webLIMS.com now has over 1000 users of Cloud based LIMS, business applications and dozens of application specific modules.  These applications are being used by multinational corporations, governments and small, private laboratories.  This growth has come from across the board with a diverse group of customers in a wide variety of industries from Agriculture, to Environmental, to Clinical to Pharmaceutical.  The webLIMS.com suite is more than just LIMS, it offers a wide variety of modular business and scientific applications to choose from and functionality from a plethora of web gadget applications to entire enterprise class application suites.

    While LabLynx sells its ELab LIMS product line for installation within an organization’s network, the largest growth by far, comes from webLIMS.com the Cloud/SaaS offering of the LIMS.  The reason is basically bottom line driven for the customer.  The customer saves the expense of a license fee and the IT costs such as hardware and maintenance.

    Are you confused about what exactly Cloud Computing is? 

    Watch this short, plain English video for a clear explanation of Cloud Computing, SaaS and why your organization can benefit from this new technology:

    Would you like to have a Cloud based LIMS for your laboratory?

    The following short video about webLIMS.com sums up the value proposition for laboratories:

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